About this Site

May 16th, 2014

After 5+ years of searching for the perfect BMW M Coupe, I had not found it, but I had learned a lot about them and about the market.  While waiting for my perfect coupe to show, I thought I would share some of my insight with other potential M Coupe buyers.  This site will contain some basic information about what to look for in an M Coupe as well as links to current sale ads and my thoughts on them.  Feel free to leave comments as I am not an expert and am always happy to learn more about the car I love.

Now that I have finally found my coupe, I will be posting more articles on upgrades and modifications as I research and install them. It has also motivated me even more to help others like me find their perfect coupe. Enjoy!

  1. Christian
    June 30th, 2012 at 13:13 | #1

    First off I want to say this site is really helpful!

    Did the m coupe ever come in that Forrest green that the M roadsters did?

    • June 30th, 2012 at 15:19 | #2

      Yep, coupes were offered in all the same colors as the roadsters were. Both Boston and Oxford Green are on the dark side. You’re probably thinking of Oxford Green though.

  2. Christian
    June 30th, 2012 at 19:34 | #3

    I was thinking of the more faded green, evergreen perhaps?

    • June 30th, 2012 at 20:16 | #4

      Yep, Evergreen was available on the 1999s and 2000s but is more rare on the coupes than it is on the roadsters. There are only 41 of them.

  3. Christian
    July 1st, 2012 at 13:48 | #5

    Thanks for the info, looks like i could be waiting for a while!

  4. July 12th, 2012 at 02:41 | #6

    Just wanted to know what your thoughts were on this coupe. I haven’t really seen this color and would like to know how rare it is as well. I have had several M roadsters (1998, two 2000’s and a 2001) and am looking for a nice coupe to add to the garage. This site is awesome for all the market updates as well as added information. M Coupes Rock!!!! I love the Shoe! Thank you for all your hard work and knowledge.


    • July 12th, 2012 at 09:03 | #7

      I think it’s a great deal to begin with. That it’s the only oxford green S54 I’ve come across so far make it look even better. I bet it will sell fast.

  5. Haig
    July 12th, 2012 at 11:04 | #8

    @Jon Martin
    That’s what I thought as well. Such a good color on the coupe but I’m not totally fond of the light interior.

    • July 12th, 2012 at 14:16 | #9

      Not too many people like the beige interior, but some definitely do. I’m not one of them either.

  6. bill schuld
    July 12th, 2012 at 15:12 | #10

    Luv the site Cant buy right now, but will one day. Had any opportunity 5 or 6 years back to buy a beautiful Dark Blue, not estoril . do you have any idea how many dark blue are out there and what is color name?. TIA and please keep this site going Great work and congrats on finding your own car. Bill

    • July 12th, 2012 at 15:23 | #11

      As far as M Coupes, there are 0 dark blue ones from the factory. There is a Montreal Blue that the Z3 Coupes came in. I haven’t come across very many of them. There is also one special ordered Carbon Black M Coupe as well. It is technically black, but definitely has a blue tint to it so if it was an M, it could have been that one.

  7. Chris
    July 19th, 2012 at 01:16 | #12

    Hi, you still haven’t found your perfect MC??
    I am European and it’s amazing the number of S54 MC you can find in the states. Currently in all Europe they might be 2 or 3 for sale. Lucky guys!!

    If only there was a similar website for europe!!
    BTW your website is GREAT nice job

  8. Chris
    July 19th, 2012 at 01:21 | #13

    Jon Martin :
    As far as M Coupes, there are 0 dark blue ones from the factory. There is a Montreal Blue that the Z3 Coupes came in. I haven’t come across very many of them. There is also one special ordered Carbon Black M Coupe as well. It is technically black, but definitely has a blue tint to it so if it was an M, it could have been that one.

    a friend of mine in Spain has an estoril repainted in Montreal Blue. It is stunning.

  9. Greg
    July 29th, 2012 at 19:36 | #14

    Hi Jon,

    Love your website–hugely impressed by all of the M Coupe information you’ve amassed over the years. Sorry to clog up your comments section but I searched everywhere for a “Contact” or email address for you and couldn’t find one. I’m about to put my beloved M Coupe up for sale and, seeing as you are probably the world’s #1 expert on used M Coupes, I wanted to ask your opinion on a few things. If it wouldn’t be too much trouble, could you possibly shoot me an email whenever convenient for you?

    Thanks a million and, again, great site!


  10. July 30th, 2012 at 19:51 | #16

    Hey Jon,

    I just bought this car….built it for a customer a while back, he decided to sell and I bought it. I saw it in Purgatory and decided that’s not a nice place for it. We did a TON of work on that car. It’s immaculate and very, very special(complete with a very slick backup camera)….

    GREAT website! Might be one of the most informative ones out there…I’m blown away.

    Here she is:


    • July 30th, 2012 at 20:55 | #17

      Thanks a lot for the update Chris. Congrats on your new coupe! I’m always excited to release a coupe from purgatory too :-). So what color is the interior?

  11. July 31st, 2012 at 14:00 | #18

    @Jon Martin

    It has a black interior. Sunroof car. Really nice ride…just about as perfect as perfect can get. 23,500 on the clock now. Car is going to stay in my family I think. I’ll probably do some shots of it on my website….they may be on there now….can’t remember. http://www.c2dusa.com

    Thanks again and when the car comes up for sale, I’ll make sure to list it here.

  12. Douglas T. Amery
    July 31st, 2012 at 14:21 | #19

    Hi Jon!
    your website is well done! I have a 2000 coupe, 58,000 miles, estoril blue/black interior,
    that I wondered if I could post on your site. I am the second owner, 50+ so I treat and
    drive the car very carefully, I love it but need to sell. I had a Dinan chip, cold air btox, and
    strut brace installed — the ‘tweaks!
    I’m located in Westchester County, New York.
    Also appreciated your thoughts on where I should price — $21,995 ??
    Appreciate your feedback!
    with kindest regards,

  13. Horatio M. Haba
    August 1st, 2012 at 09:49 | #21

    Hi Jon!

    I’ve been in a little contact with the seller of the Steel Gray 2002 S54 M Coupe here in Vaughan, ON, Canada. I was supposed to see the car yesterday but he got really busy and couldn’t make it. Instead he was kind enough to make a video of the car and I thought I would share. I hope to go see it soon in person. I haven’t really decided if I want an S52 or S54 coupe yet, but I wanted to take a look at local coupes. I also saw the Imola Red S52 that just sold in Downtown Toronto, very nice looking coupe.


    P.S. Here’s the link to the Video.

    • August 1st, 2012 at 10:32 | #22

      Thanks a lot Horatio! That video makes it look much better than the photos did. Good luck with your coupe search!

  14. Horatio M. Haba
    August 1st, 2012 at 10:42 | #23

    @Jon Martin
    Very true Jon,

    I was much more impressed with the video than the photos, although the diamond plate in the trunk threw me for a loop, don’t know about your reaction to that.

    • August 1st, 2012 at 15:50 | #24

      I’m pretty sure it’s just the hex all-weather, rubber floor mats and should just pull right out.

  15. Roger
    August 1st, 2012 at 11:01 | #25

    How does one contact the owner of posted vehicle, when no POC info is provided?

    • August 1st, 2012 at 15:49 | #26

      I actually go out of my way not to post contact info on my site. Usually you can find it on one of the seller’s more formal listings that I link to at the top of the page (AutoTrader, Ebay, etc.). If not, send me an email at jon@mcoupebuyersguide.com, and I’ll send it to you.

  16. Et
    August 1st, 2012 at 15:12 | #27

    Jon, great site and content reflects uniqueness of the Z3 M’s! Good job!

    I am in Canada and have not be too successful with the M’s which I have looked at. Would it be possible to have the contact info for sellers listed on this site? I like the 2002 from Indianapolis but can’t seem to contact the owner.

    Is there anyone accessing this site that has experience bringing an M to Canada from the USA?


    • August 1st, 2012 at 15:56 | #28

      Typically, if you need a seller’s contact information, you can just email me at jon@mcoupebuyersguide.com. There are quite a few people who have brought U.S. coupes into Canada. It’s not really a big deal.

  17. August 16th, 2012 at 13:53 | #29

    Please send me info on the 2001 M coupe/South bay, Ca.
    Are there any green coupes close to Iceland green BMW 535i ever made?
    I’m guessing British green is close. Any thoughts? Thanks.N/A

  18. Ethan Atteberry
    August 29th, 2012 at 19:39 | #31

    Hey so I bought a z3 coupe, not an m 🙁 but was wondering how many non m’s were made compared to m’s. And apparently the made automatic ones? just curious if you had any of the production numbers because i can’t find them anywhere. thanks.

    • August 30th, 2012 at 08:59 | #32

      There are no firm production numbers posted anywhere yet. I now have all the VIN ranges for non-M’s and hope to be able to gather the same information we have for the M Coupes including VIN, production date, colors, and all options. Hopefully I’ll have a chance to do that in the next month or so. There will also be a z3coupebuyersguide.com when that happens.

  19. Ratha
    August 29th, 2012 at 22:41 | #33

    Hey Jon,

    Great work you’re doing here and totally appreciate it. I’m looking at a couple that’s listed here and wanted to know your thoughts. The 2000 titanium silver 104000 miles at 15k. Is that price a good price? Condition seems pretty good. Pretty high miles, is this a good buy?

    Also, The 2000 black for 15k, which the seller seems all over with what he wants for it. Same questions for this one. If you had to choose, which one would you go for?

    Thanks for any guidance


  20. Reddy Kilowatt
    August 31st, 2012 at 02:05 | #35

    This is a longshot, but I’m curious if you know of any M Coupe owners in eastern Washington or northern Idaho. I’m considering these cars, but need to know if they’re even worth my time. I’m 6’4″ w/ a 36″ inseam and online research suggests I’m near the red zone for fitting. Trying a car out seems to be the only way to be confident moving forward, as I don’t want to spend more time searching if the car is a non-starter (no pun intended) for me. Thoughts?

    Great site!

    • August 31st, 2012 at 09:43 | #36

      I know of several in the Seattle and Portland areas, but the only one I knew of in Coeur d’Alene sold a couple years ago. Unfortunately, the closest I can think of outside the big cities is my friend in Bozeman, MT.

      You are right on the border of fitting comfortably. Here’s the best solution I’ve seen for tall people in coupes: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1860422.

  21. Andrew Graham
    September 9th, 2012 at 17:35 | #37

    Hey Jon. I’m the one who bought Craig’s pseudo-track coupe and my current one is now up for sale. I figure you’ll find it quick enough, but thought I’d pass it your way. I’m happy to answer any questions for any prospective buyers.


    • September 9th, 2012 at 22:20 | #38

      Thanks for the update Andrew. I wondered who picked up his coupe. Good luck with the sale! It looks very nice.

  22. robert
    September 10th, 2012 at 13:38 | #39

    Hi Jon, Great site! Was wondering if the 3 ratings that appear next to the cars for sale are your ratings or those of the sellers? Also i would like to hear your perspective on the whole bearing issue debate between the two engines offered in the coupes. Thanks Robert

    • September 10th, 2012 at 21:31 | #40

      No, they are just my subjective ratings. If I don’t feel like I have enough information for condition or value ratings I usually just put 3 stars. I haven’t heard of too many coupe bearings having issues lately, and some say if they haven’t gone yet, they are probably fine. That being said, I think it’s worth the $900-1,000 just for the peace-of-mind to get them done if you have an S54. I also think the S54 is probably worth the price premium as well as the extra money to do the bearings if they haven’t been done yet.

  23. Reddy Kilowatt
    September 11th, 2012 at 08:40 | #41

    @Jon Martin
    For what it’s worth, I checked one out… it’s cozy, but I fit. And I must have one.

  24. Gary Smith
    September 11th, 2012 at 12:11 | #43


    This site is incredible, great job, I have been a fan of M Coupes for a long time, ready to buy another soon. You have displayed two of my previous ones here that I sold, a 2002 Phoenix Yellow and a 2001 Laguna Seca Blue.
    Looking for a white this time out with a interesting color interior.

    Thanks for all the info.

    • September 11th, 2012 at 13:11 | #44

      You’ve already owned two of the most rare and sought after colors, and now you’re after the third :-). I’ll email you.

  25. Reddy Kilowatt
    September 11th, 2012 at 16:33 | #45

    Jon Martin :
    Awesome! Just let me know what you’re looking for.

    I’m looking for a car in “the sweet spot.” Not necessarily bone stock, but not heavily modded w/ 3 set of extra wheels, etc. Aftermarket suspension is cool, but I prefer to not have a bunch of aftermarket panels, spoilers, rocker panels, etc.

    I’m flexible on color. I love Laguna Seca Blue, and think I would like Imola Red, Phoenix Yellow, Estoril Blue, Alpine White, etc. But I’m not hung up on this.

    I think I’m not looking for a 20k mile garage queen (unless it’s priced right), but I’m not looking for a high-mile beater… 50-75k miles sounds about right. And well maintained, obviously.

    I need the sunroof… I’m tall.

    And I think I need the S54.

    So… whatcha got? 🙂

    • September 11th, 2012 at 21:56 | #46

      I’ll let you know when something interesting comes on the market.

  26. Reddy Kilowatt
    September 11th, 2012 at 21:39 | #47

    I think this is a listing you don’t have yet.


    • September 11th, 2012 at 21:52 | #48

      That coupe sold about a year before I even started my site. It still has a bunch of listings floating around though.

  27. Reddy Kilowatt
    September 11th, 2012 at 22:23 | #49

    OK, thanks!

  28. Ratha
    September 16th, 2012 at 08:38 | #50

    Thanks again for this site.. Can you check this listing…. And let me know your thoughts?


    • September 16th, 2012 at 14:58 | #51

      I can’t find the thread right now, but I remember that Z3 Coupe being discussed on Bimmerforums regarding it’s “Limited Edition” badge (most agreed it was just tacked on). The color combo is really cool though. Walnut interior is one of my favorites, and it complements the Boston Green well. With all the recent maintenance I think the price is pretty decent as of now.

  29. Ratha
    September 16th, 2012 at 22:42 | #52

    Ok, yeah. Seems like a pretty decent buy. Thanks Jon

    @Jon Martin

  30. Olesia
    October 26th, 2012 at 18:12 | #53

    Hi Jon,
    I saw an M Coupe for the first time on the road a couple of months ago. I knew then I had to have one. I’ve been doing research on them since then, and came across your website, which, is awesome. I have some questions and was wondering if you wouldn’t mind emailing me when you have a chance.
    Thanks again for a great website!

  31. Robert in Nova Scotia
    November 3rd, 2012 at 20:52 | #55

    Hi Jon: Words can’t convey how much appreciate your site(s). I log-in more often than I should admit and more than is healthy. I have been a lover of the Bread Box (eventually understood to be a clown shoe rather than a bread box) since I was a young waiter in school without cash while many of them sat unsold on BMW dealership lots into subsequent model years. You can move the 25K mile Estoril Blue Roady in Rochester Minnesota without a photo from Purgatory to Sold. I stumbled onto it while looking at coupes and sent an email to the vendor, which led to a longer email conversation and a flight to Minnesota. It immigrated to Canada a few weeks ago and is currently getting Canadian Daytime running lights installed to enable Canadian registration. It needed tires and we’re working on airbag error messages but it is otherwise in great condition. The Minnesota vendor, who was the original owner, was a real gentleman and a pleasure to deal with; the transaction was seamless. The Rochester BMW dealership (Park Place) BMW Service Manager (name: AJ) was also terrific with pre-purchase inspection arranged from a distance and fluid changes on the day of sale before I hit the road etc). My unicorn is a low mileage S54 Coupe (but I’d jump at one of two white S52’s with Kyalami interiors if they surfaced with low mileage) but I’m currently looking for a daily summer driver MCoupe at a decent price. Accordingly, my question is whether you’ve actually seen the 83K mile Colorado Silver/Black Shoe currently for sale and if so please contact me. Lastly, are you able to guarantee to me that a finders-fee donation to your site for the Roady purchase will be used to take your wife out for a lovely dinner as a thanks for your time dedicated to the site? Many Thanks, Robert in Halifax.

    • November 3rd, 2012 at 21:26 | #56

      Thanks for the kind words Robert. You may have some competition over one of the alpine over kyalamis. That’s one of my dream color combos too :-). I emailed you.

  32. Dave L
    November 6th, 2012 at 09:56 | #57

    Love your site. I’ve always been in love with the M Coupe. Many folks think they look funny, but I think they look awesome!! I recall seeing one many years ago that was a kind of rust/metallic/orange color. Do you know what that was called? Looking forward to your updates… Early next year my search will begin for my own M Coupe!!

  33. Jeffrey Stark
    November 7th, 2012 at 16:52 | #59

    I am wondering if you know of any oxford green/with tan interior M Coupes for sale. I have seen the 2.8’s and the 3.0’s but the dealers are still asking $16K for them and they don’t want to budge. The non-M Coupes are valued at around $9K wholesale–whats the deal? I would like either an M Coupe or the non M version and preferably an automatic as I am getting older. Any suggestions on how to deal with some of the price gougers?


    • November 7th, 2012 at 20:10 | #60

      The only one I know of right now is that non-M Z3 Coupe for sale in California which I assume is the one you are referring too. First, ignore all book values except maybe KBB for S52 M Coupes. They are all very undervalued. Z3 Coupe prices have come up quite a bit lately too. If you prefer an automatic, the non-M will be your only option. M’s only have manual transmissions.

  34. Gary Smith
    November 8th, 2012 at 10:31 | #61

    @Jon Martin
    Jon: I’m back in the game, again thanks to your site otherwise I wouldn’t have found what I was looking for. The Imola Red you moved to sold from Arkansas is on its way to me in Florida.
    So excited.

  35. Jack
    November 13th, 2012 at 11:30 | #63

    I have a line on a 2001 3.0 M coupe with 72,000. It is an automatic and the Carfax reads clean with a small hit to the right rear 10 years ago. The sell price is $9,500/private and I haven’t seen one this price yet in two months of looking. Are the autos just not worth the investment? Great site and I just look to soothe my nerves before bed…LOL!

    • November 13th, 2012 at 14:32 | #64

      Automatics will never be worth quite as much to enthusiasts. That seems like a good deal anyway for the mileage and clean title.

  36. Bruce
    November 14th, 2012 at 17:18 | #65

    This is the top resource in my quest for an MCoupe. Let me know how and I will make a donation.

  37. Matt Giordano
    November 24th, 2012 at 06:19 | #67

    Hey John huge m coupe fan really truly love these cars been searching for almost two years now, I was wondering if you could Clarify somthing I see there an imola red then there’s an imola red 2? I can’t seem to find any info on the Difference between them?

    • November 24th, 2012 at 07:03 | #68

      There is no difference. All the Z3 M Coupes are technically Imola Red 2. Sometimes I’m just lazy and don’t type the 2 :-).

  38. Matt Giordano
    November 24th, 2012 at 09:02 | #69

    @Jon Martin

    Thanks Jon

  39. Gary Smith
    November 26th, 2012 at 15:58 | #70

    Jon, If you here of anyone selling a Dinan Exhaust let me know thanks.

  40. Pete Bradshaw
    November 28th, 2012 at 18:35 | #72

    Great site, Jon!

    I noticed on the charts of price vs. mileage a lack of S54 coupes with over 100K miles. Does that suggest a problem with S54 longevity? The charts show many S52 coupes have sold with 100K+ miles.


    • November 29th, 2012 at 07:19 | #73

      Not necessarily, there just have not been that many S54s that have come on the market with >100k miles. Those that have were purchased by people that never told me what they bought it for, so they didn’t make it on the chart. There are lots of S54 M3s and M Roadsters out there with much more than 100k miles, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

  41. November 30th, 2012 at 11:15 | #74

    Hi! I own this car now


    Purchased for $20,000. Has 60,000 miles on it now.

    It’s in mint shape. Subframe/rear diff mount is all stock and shows no signs of wear. Compressions & Leakdown test done on car and all cylinders ~205psi.

    Awesome site!


    co-founder of MadWhips.com & CarZi.com

  42. Larry Galler
    December 17th, 2012 at 10:30 | #75

    Jon, love the site. I’ve been considering buying an M Coupe for some time and have been looking at your site ever since I found it 3 or 4 months ago. In the past week or two I have not been able to find the list of cars for sale area of the site. Can you email me the url of that feature?

  43. mark cohen
    December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 | #77

    @Jon Martin I own from new 2000 M coupe -it is a one of a kind auto ,may be the best M-in the world as it is my child .

  44. Henry
    December 29th, 2012 at 07:43 | #78

    Hi Jon:
    This is not only a great service for Shoe Fans but a really well designed and well-run site. Had my eye on these little buggers for years and may finally be in position to consider acquiring one. I had some specific questions relative to one of your listings. Do you accept offline dialogue?
    Again, great job and thanks,

  45. mark cohen
    December 29th, 2012 at 13:47 | #80

    Hi,Jon I checked the # and there was only 1 auto produced as I ordered before my wish list,I had original BMW fog lamps installed and have not seen on others, as I recall labor was more than lights . It is nice to have all work done several years ago and never had to sort out as all was top notch plus was given advice by real pro.FYI Thanks

    • December 30th, 2012 at 15:30 | #81

      Yep, yours is the only one in North America in your color combination. I’d guess <5% of coupes have the factory foglights as well. I believe they are still available though.

  46. Jack
    January 4th, 2013 at 12:18 | #82

    Hello Jon,

    I asked an earlier question about the automatics and have a second question, has anyone swapped one of these couples with a stick? I would imagine it would kill the value but some of these autos are great deals an in excellent shape! I would be daily driving the hell out of a coupe if I buy one as I travel the country for insurance work to disasters. let me know the feasibility of this if you have any information and thanks!

    • January 4th, 2013 at 15:03 | #83

      I have not heard of anyone doing an automatic transmission swap before. There could be a few options: Z3 coupes use the same manual transmission and were available with both 4 and 5 speed automatics. I wouldn’t think the swap would be super complicated. Other people have swapped in E46 M3 six-speed manuals, and I would think the process would be similar to the E46 M3 SMG transmissions.

  47. Jack
    January 5th, 2013 at 14:27 | #84

    @Jon Martin Ok, so if I find an automatic that is an excellent buy and locate a 5 speed transmission/clutch assembly, it can be done reasonably? A coupe might be in my future!

    • January 5th, 2013 at 15:14 | #85

      Theoretically, but you’d be the first. It may be easier to look for a Z3 Coupe with a factory automatic to begin with. The 2001-2002 Z3 Coupes are only 15 hp down from the 1999-2000 M Coupes. I have them all listed at http://www.z3coupebuyersguide.com/listings and you can filter by transmission too.

  48. Mike Fonk
    January 6th, 2013 at 17:16 | #86

    Hi, I have a 2001 MCoupe. The car is bone stock. I have owned for a year and its been a real pleasure. I recently purchased a set of BBS CH Silver wheels 8.5 X 18 to put on the car. The rears fit but are little in-set and the fronts rub the shock tower and will not install. I thought your experience would possibly be of use in terms of what options I have with the wheels. I know rear spacers will be needed (likely 20 MM). What about the front tires? Do I need to buy wheel spacers also for the front? The tires are 245/45/18. Maybe need to go to a 235 / 40 tire? 225/40 are a little small for the 8.5 wide rim in my eye. I have seen a lot of cars with coil overs with the larger wheel size. Do I need to get rid of the shock tower and put coil overs to get the fronts on? Any help would be appreciated.

    BTW you have a great site and I used it to find my car that I ended up buying from Enthusiast Auto and which was a good experience.

    • January 6th, 2013 at 20:17 | #87

      Hey Mike

      I’m not the foremost expert in wheel fitment, but may be able to help a little. Do you know what the offsets are of your wheels? That’s the most important factor in getting wheels to fit right.

  49. Mike Fonk
    January 7th, 2013 at 06:47 | #88

    Just checked the wheels. They are a 35 MM Offset.

    • January 7th, 2013 at 08:50 | #89

      You could probably do a 5-10mm spacer in front and would probably need a 25-30mm one in the back to fill out the wheel wells.

  50. Mike Fonk
    January 7th, 2013 at 11:53 | #90

    Thanks Jon. Looking for the spacers on-line.

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